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Today's January talking meme post is something of a follow on from yesterday's topic. [personal profile] schneefink asked me what 'fandom' means to me, given all the things I feel fannish about are tiny fandoms [the implication being, I think, that in such tiny fandoms I would miss out on the community aspect of fandom]?

It's a fair point. Essentially the only two times I was in a fannish space where other people were all sharing in their delight at the same piece of media was when I first went online, in the mid-2000s, and joined two forums, for Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy, and Isobelle Carmody's Obernewtyn series respectively. They were fairly small fannish spaces — I'd say there were about thirty active members in the former, and forty or fifty in the latter — and although a handful of members wrote and read fic, they weren't really transformative works fandom in any recognisable sense — you got people writing meta, discussing plot points, speculating about the ending of Carmody's series (which was at that stage incomplete), and bemoaning the dreadful film adaptation of Pullman's book, but it was rare for people in either space to create fanworks for either canon. (That's not to say forum members were hostile to it — my friend [personal profile] bethankyou, who I met on the Pullman forum, was the one who introduced me to the concept of fanfic as it existed online at that stage, and we used to link each other to stuff we liked and discuss it together — just that in those particular forum spaces, the communities seemed to have very little interest in creating or engaging with fanworks for those particular canons. I still have pretty much zero interest in His Dark Materials fanfic, and flee to the hills at the sight of a dæmon AU.)

That is by way of preamble to explain that I do have some limited experience of being in a community of fans of the same specific canons, but it's not in the kind of fandom that most Dreamwidth people would think of as fandom community.

However, those two forums are probably the exception. Everything else I've felt fannish about — the lengthy list of books, many from my childhood in the 1990s and early 2000s, that I wheel out whenever people ask me to list my fandoms — has been very much a series of fandoms of one, or something that others engage with fannishly only for events like Yuletide. So fandom, in the sense of a shared community of people actively creating and engaging with fanworks over a consistent, unbroken period of time, is pretty alien to me, at least insofar as my main fandoms are concerned. I've happily read fanfic in big megafandoms like the MCU, Star Wars, Harry Potter, SPN and similar over the years, but I've never felt any interest in creating any myself, and I never interacted with other people in those fandoms (apart from people here on Dreamwidth who I met in other contexts).

So what, then, does 'fandom' mean to me? Probably one of two things. The first is the way I've always engaged with stories, since I was a very small child, before I knew to name it as fannishness: to read/watch a story with critical faculties engaged, pulling out themes, connecting it with other stories I'd read/watched in the past and enjoyed or felt extreme emotions about, to care about what happened in a story after the last page was turned or the credits rolled, to feel haunted by a story, as if it and its characters couldn't let me go, to find myself thinking about its characters as if they were my friends, or real people. To identify with characters, to find a story's themes resonant, to spend long hours wondering where a story was heading. As a child this generally resulted in me keeping up a kind of internal monologue in my head in which I was one of the characters who'd gripped me so, imagining them living my life (or translating the elements of my ordinary daily life into something that such a character might have realistically been experiencing), or writing what might have happened to them next. As an adult, this resulted in fic — but generally only after someone had requested such fic for an exchange or fest. I find it easier to write to prompts.

I think that because my childhood 'fannishness' was a solitary activity (at best, my younger sister and one of my cousins might have been roped into games, but generally it was just me, a book, and my own imagination), I never felt the lack of shared community regarding these fandoms of one. None else in my life had interest in, say, Presh from Galax Arena, Sara Crewe from A Little Princess, or Pagan Kidrouk from The Pagan Chronicles, or in the fact that I realised when I was about ten that there was a recognisable subgenre of Australian dystopian fiction aimed at teenagers, mainly written in the 80s and 90s, and that I could identify which contemporary Australian political and environmental problems it was trying to address — so when I was older, and went online, and found other fans, I never expected anyone else to be interested in these things either.

This brings me to the other way I define 'fandom': for me it doesn't mean a shared community creating and reacting to fanworks about a single work of media, but rather a shared way of reacting to, and engaging with stories. Because while my time online has not introduced me to a vast horde of people clamouring to write fic about the Pagan Chronicles, or who write passionate walls of text about how Sophia McDougall's character Noviana Una is someone with whom we identify deeply or why Presh (and Allyman) deserved better than the ending Gillian Rubinstein wrote for them, it did introduce me to people who reacted in this way to other stories, and other characters. Fandom to me is an attitude: that stories matter, that it is worthwhile and good to have strong emotional reactions to fictional characters and the stories they inhabit, and that the creations sparked by those emotional reactions: fanworks, discussion, comments, and the sharing of said creations with others, are a way of creating and sustaining friendships. While I almost never share fannish interests with the people I know here on Dreamwidth, we do share this underlying attitude, and that's always been enough to create a sense of community, and make friends, for me.

Date: 2020-01-19 04:12 pm (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
Interesting! I was in a fannish community from 2007 to 2014 (for due South). It wasn't a large fandom compared to the big ones, but it was a friendly and tightly-knit place and provided plenty of fannish interaction. And I do miss that kind of community! I've realized afterwards how lucky I was, because even if you're in a large fandom, it's not a given that you will find that sense of community.

And now I seem to be in a fandom of (currently) three, which after all is better than a fandom of one. : )

I do take your meaning though that the shared way of relating to stories, even without shared fandoms, can still create a sense of community.

Date: 2020-01-19 04:56 pm (UTC)
isis: (fangirls)
From: [personal profile] isis
I agree with your last paragraph, a lot! Which is why I enjoy seeing my Dreamwidth friends rhapsodize about their new fannish loves, even when I don't share them - I recognize and understand this behavior and consider it a good and happy thing.

Date: 2020-01-19 05:53 pm (UTC)
regshoe: Redwing, a brown bird with a red wing patch, perched in a tree (Default)
From: [personal profile] regshoe
I agree about fandom being more a state of mind and a way of relating to stories, rather than a single specific-canon-focused community. That's something I've found Dreamwidth is particularly good for, actually—like, on Tumblr I only really follow people in the same fandoms as me because otherwise my dash gets flooded with stuff I don't understand and have no context for, but here I can see people I know talking about the other things they love, and there's more of that sense of community, and I can appreciate that sort of fannishness even if I don't also know those works. (and it's a pretty good way of picking up new fandoms, of course!)

Date: 2020-01-25 05:11 pm (UTC)
regshoe: Redwing, a brown bird with a red wing patch, perched in a tree (Default)
From: [personal profile] regshoe
Yeah, exactly! I'm on tumblr less and less these days—and on here more—for pretty much exactly those reasons. I think it's a more satisfying way of doing fandom.

Date: 2020-01-19 06:21 pm (UTC)
forestofglory: E. H. Shepard drawing of Christopher Robin reading a book to Pooh (Default)
From: [personal profile] forestofglory
I've been finding fandom a slightly frustrating word lately. I hang out in the intersect of transformative works fandom and SFF book fandom, and both sides want to claim the word fandom for themselves without acknowledging the group and its strange and gets to me more than it should. So hanging out on the internet and talking about books feels like fandom to me, creating transformative works feels like fandom, have conversations about how the worldbuilding even works feels like fandom, going to cons feels like fandom, sharing recs for works fan-or-otherwise feels like fandom. But whether a given speaker things any or all of those things are part of fandom is unclear and it's annoyingly hard to know what people are talking about.

Date: 2020-01-26 10:35 pm (UTC)
forestofglory: E. H. Shepard drawing of Christopher Robin reading a book to Pooh (Default)
From: [personal profile] forestofglory
This such a great comment! Thank you!

Date: 2020-01-19 07:42 pm (UTC)
schneefink: River walking among trees, from "Safe" (Default)
From: [personal profile] schneefink
Thank you! Very interesting, and the last paragraph is especially beautiful. Even when I'm not in a specific fandom, I'm always a part of "fandom", and that for me is the most important part.

Date: 2020-01-20 06:15 am (UTC)
lyr: (Pondering Ten: carmendove)
From: [personal profile] lyr
Your discussion of your childhood reactions to stories is very familiar to me. I remember always feeling that way about stories, always watching or listening to them as if they were fluid and interactive, always thinking I want to play with the toys, too. I guess my earliest fanfic really was when I first insisted that this little piggy had roast beef and this little piggy had some too, because there were not going to be any starving pigs in my remix. I still feel that way about stories, and I love interacting with people who do too, regardless of what stories fire their imaginations. (And there are still no starving pigs in my remixes.)

Date: 2020-01-25 08:33 pm (UTC)
lyr: (Writercon09: essene)
From: [personal profile] lyr
I think you're right; we wouldn't be here, interacting with stories as we do, if we didn't feel that way about them.

Date: 2020-01-20 07:18 am (UTC)
goodbyebird: Community: "You guys have weird reactions to stuff." (Community weird reactions)
From: [personal profile] goodbyebird
This is a lovely way to put it ❤️

Date: 2020-01-20 04:31 pm (UTC)
umadoshi: (riceball love (snowgarden))
From: [personal profile] umadoshi
a shared way of reacting to, and engaging with stories.

YES. I think this is essentially my distinction (for myself) between being in fandom and being in a fandom. Even when I haven't been part of an active fandom for something specific, that feeling is why I still felt/feel fannish/like part of fandom, and still love listening to fannish folks discuss the particular things they're in love with. *^^*

Date: 2020-01-21 05:04 am (UTC)
ambyr: a dark-winged man standing in a doorway over water; his reflection has white wings (watercolor by Stephanie Pui-Mun Law) (Default)
From: [personal profile] ambyr
Everything else I've felt fannish about — the lengthy list of books, many from my childhood in the 1990s and early 2000s, that I wheel out whenever people ask me to list my fandoms — has been very much a series of fandoms of one, or something that others engage with fannishly only for events like Yuletide. So fandom, in the sense of a shared community of people actively creating and engaging with fanworks over a consistent, unbroken period of time, is pretty alien to me, at least insofar as my main fandoms are concerned. I've happily read fanfic in big megafandoms like the MCU, Star Wars, Harry Potter, SPN and similar over the years, but I've never felt any interest in creating any myself, and I never interacted with other people in those fandoms (apart from people here on Dreamwidth who I met in other contexts).

This is very much my experience (though there are a few larger fandoms I've dabbled in other the years, and I think I'd count ATLA as a megafandom if I hadn't discovered it years after the fandom had mostly moved on). I will read works in megafandoms, but I don't have a drive to create them, and I'm much more interested in talking enthusiastically about books. Dreamwidth is pretty great for that! I have had less luck at transformative works conventions, where I always feel like the odd one out for not being megafannishly enthused.

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