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I was talking to my mother and sister via FaceTime this morning and Mum was telling me all about her radio programme this week (she's a radio broadcaster who does a programme which takes events that are making headlines and does a deep dive into the history behind them, interviewing historians, economists, commentators, activists, archivists etc). The progamme this week is all about studies into using psychodelic drugs to treat mental health conditions. After a while, Mum fell to reminiscing about the '70s, and my sister and I were sitting there in amusement at a number of anecdotes that began 'and that time [ex-boyfriend] and I were taking magic mushrooms/acid/etc'.

I had the dual realisation that a) my parents had a way more adventurous youth than I did (I'd known about most of this stuff already, but it's not exactly something I think about actively) and b) if I wanted to obtain illicit drugs in the UK, I would have no idea who to ask, whereas I know at least twenty people in Canberra and Sydney I could ask, should I want to do so. My social circles in Australia are as equally filled with high achieving nerds as they are in the UK, so I'm not really sure how to explain the discrepancy. I should make it clear that I have zero desire to acquire illicit drugs, I just found the contrast amusing.

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On a completely different note, the complicated Australian bureaucracy thing I was dealing with last week led me to another bizarre realisation. I remember when I met [instagram.com profile] lowercasename for the first time, he told me that his parents (who emigrated from Russia to Australia in the 1980s and spoke only Russian to each other, and him, at home) had left Russia before various technological things were invented, and as a result of being isolated from other Russian-speakers had no idea of the Russian names of such things. Therefore, his family basically invented their own Russian words for various pieces of software and commonplace computer hardware, and no other Russian speakers use the same terminology.

My situation is slightly different. I lived in Australia long enough that I had a tax file number, did paid work and filed tax returns, and had to contribute towards the rent and bills of a shared house — but I did all this at a time when everything was entirely analog, and on paper. My wages were paid directly into my bank account, but I never had internet banking, I filed my tax returns on paper and got my tax refunds as cheques which I had to deposit physically in the bank, and when I needed to transfer rent money to my housemate I withdrew cash from my bank account and filled in a paper deposit slip and deposited the money in person at a branch of her bank. I existed entirely on paper.

And of course, since I've lived and worked in the UK during the years when such things were increasingly done online, I know how to navigate all this stuff in a UK context, I know the UK terminology, and I am as close as it's possible to be to a 'digital native' ... in the UK, and its various pieces of bureaucracy. But in Australia, I have no idea! I don't even know the names for government web platforms, or technical terminology (someone over the phone was like 'you can pay it via BPay,' and I was like 'what's BPay?').

It's as if I'm a time-traveller from an age of paper. It's not an insurmountable problem (I can eventually figure out most of this stuff via context or Google), but it is an oddly disorienting feeling.

Date: 2021-06-04 03:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nerakrose
I've only been in the UK a year and a half, but I already feel this time travel divide re: home because of covid - I still get official communication from the authorities there digitally about stuff incl. the public health situation, but because so many new things have been added or changed in the past year, much of it feels very...not real? obv much of it doesn't apply to me because I'm not there anyway, but it's stuff like 'please log in to [portal] to do X' and I'm like, what even is that portal. it's very weird and, yeah, disorienting.

Date: 2021-06-06 03:53 pm (UTC)
nerakrose: drawing of balfour from havemercy (Default)
From: [personal profile] nerakrose
yeah!! I have moved around a LOT in my life and have almost never gone back to any of those places - it's a bit as if with each new move I sort of 'reset'. so physically going back to those places always feels weirdly disorienting like I'm literally going back in time or "regressing" to a previous stage. the place I was born and grew up I visited in 2005 or 06 (it was the summer HBP came out because I read it on the plane). I'd not been there for ten years at that point, since we moved, but my dad still lived there then so I and my siblings stayed with him for a couple of weeks that summer (before that point he'd come see us as a single plane ticket is cheaper than 5 plane tickets). across the street from his flat was an ice cream bar, a classic 50s American diner-styled up place. or at least, it HAD been like that. ten years later it was still ostensibly an ice cream bar, but all the seating had been removed to make space for gambling machines and while you could still get ice cream there, you could also get cigarettes, candy, alcohol, and some other convenience stuff. it had turned into a shady kiosk! it was SO weird. many other things had changed as well but that was the one that threw me off the most.

(the natural history museum in town? hasn't changed in DECADES. I know because one of my cousins went there right before the pandemic and posted some photos on facebook and the displays were EXACTLY THE SAME I just about fell off my chair laughing scrolling through the photos. I used to go there all the time as a kid because it was free and I loved looking at all the taxidermied animals and fish and live fish and whatnot. the museum was mostly fish, sea creatures and birds, lbr, as Iceland just doesn't have a lot of wild animals...)

Date: 2021-06-04 04:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] raven
I find this stuff really interesting! I don't know if you've read Bill Bryon's Notes From A Big Country, but the entire premise of the book is the author moving back to the US (where he grew up) after spending his entire adult life in the UK, and being hilariously incapable of doing anything "adult" (e.g. banking, buying food in supermarkets, knowing the right names of things in hardware stores!)

Date: 2021-06-05 03:30 am (UTC)
lyr: (Shiny Kaylee: annasiconnas)
From: [personal profile] lyr
Your mom's program sounds awesome.

Date: 2021-06-05 03:59 am (UTC)
merit: (Misc Tea)
From: [personal profile] merit
Yea, my parents definitely had a more adventurous youth than I ever did. I recently had a discussion with someone and they had been offered drugs (at a nightclub) and I was like, "?? that never happened to me."

It certainly has been a big transition from 2010 to 2020. I mean, I /love/ internet banking but without internet access it certainly can be exclusionary w/ banks closing left, right and centre. It felt interesting, a few years ago, going into a bank to acquire our mortgage (also amusing, as this was in the middle of the royal commission into banking and juuust around they were introducing more strict lending policies).

Date: 2021-06-06 12:40 pm (UTC)
merit: (Gun)
From: [personal profile] merit
Boomers, yes. One of my aunts married a guy in a band (they have a Wikipedia article!), so naturally my mother went into a lot of events underage.

It sure must be. There's been a big push to get everyone online but services online usually don't have variations for unique circumstances. Especially when libraries were closed during lockdown... :/

Date: 2021-06-05 12:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] trepkos
I really hope they start allowing treatment with psychedelics - so many depressed friends. (I hope it's not my influence!)

Date: 2021-06-07 01:53 pm (UTC)
lirazel: four young women in turn of the century clothes act silly for the camera ([misc] gal pals)
From: [personal profile] lirazel
Your mom's job sounds so cool!

Therefore, his family basically invented their own Russian words for various pieces of software and commonplace computer hardware, and no other Russian speakers use the same terminology.

I love this.

It's as if I'm a time-traveller from an age of paper.

So disorienting!

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